I am reminded of Gregor Kiczales at ILC 2003 [the International Lisp Conference] displaying some AspectJ to a silent crowd, pausing, then plaintively adding, "When I show that to Java programmers they stand up and cheer." http://bc.tech.coop/blog/071226.html Kenny Tilton Parentheses? What parentheses? I haven't noticed any parentheses since my first month of Lisp programming. I like to ask people who complain about parentheses in Lisp if they are bothered by all the spaces between words in a newspaper... http://bc.tech.coop/blog/071226.html Kenny Tilton